Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
of high quality would be of practical application to
small aircraft? It can be mounted.

Thanks.

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Mark

Mark > wrote:
> Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
> of high quality would be of practical application to
> small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Mark

You mean like these?

http://www.sportys.com/acb/Category.cfm?&DID=19&CATID=93

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On Jan 8, 4:45*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
> > of high quality would be of practical application to
> > small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> > --
> > Mark
>
> You mean like these?

> --
> Jim Pennino

Yeah, kinda. I see now that some units are made
specifically for aviation, and from the looks, seem to
include pertinent instrumentation, like a control panel.

Mine seems to be more for maps, and exploration.
I really havent been all thru it yet. It doesn't contain
an altimeter as such, but does give headings and
trip data. I dunno, it might be helpful.

thanks.

--
Mark

Mark > wrote:
> On Jan 8, 4:45Â*pm, wrote:
>> Mark > wrote:
>> > Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
>> > of high quality would be of practical application to
>> > small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>>
>> > Thanks.
>>
>> > --
>> > Mark
>>
>> You mean like these?
>
>> --
>> Jim Pennino
>
> Yeah, kinda. I see now that some units are made
> specifically for aviation, and from the looks, seem to
> include pertinent instrumentation, like a control panel.
>
> Mine seems to be more for maps, and exploration.
> I really havent been all thru it yet. It doesn't contain
> an altimeter as such, but does give headings and
> trip data. I dunno, it might be helpful.

All the portable aviation GPS units include charts with airspace
information, terrain information with altitude warning, heading,
ground speed, and much, much more.

You might download and read the user manual for a typical one.

http://www.avmap.us/index.php?swt=0309&sec=3&ipr=4

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Mark schrieb:
> Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
> of high quality would be of practical application to
> small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Mark

Mark, you will find a good started here

http://www.cockpitgps.com/

KH

On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST), Mark >
wrote:

>Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
>of high quality would be of practical application to
>small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
>Thanks.

have you lived in a cave all your life?

On Jan 9, 7:05*am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST), Mark >
> wrote:
>
> >Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
> >of high quality would be of practical application to
> >small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> have you lived in a cave all your life?

No, its simply a matter of:

My limited experience of aviation has been in older planes
without GPS equipment, and more specifically,..

The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.

Thank you all for your feedback. It was perfect and now
I think I'll get another, better GPS developed specifically
for aviation.

The only time I spent in a cave was while exploring the
backwoods of West Virginia. It was a very harrowing
experience. Your mother wouldn't let go of my leg.

--
Mark

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>,
says...
>
>
>Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
>of high quality would be of practical application to
>small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Mark

In general terms, anything that helps you know precisely where you are is
not useless in general aviation. Whether your device actually does that
will depend on its antenna and how well it functions in a typical
cockpit.

As you can see from the other responses here, GPS applications for small
aircraft are already highly developed, and range from aviation-specific
portable units to fully integrated and coupled systems, certified for
instrument approaches.

If you are thinking of taking a small device with you in a freind's
airplane to help you know where you are, then go for it, see if it works.
If you are even remotely thinking of marketing something, you would
probably do well to take stock of how well the aviation market is already
covered.

Mark > wrote:

> The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
> familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
> geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
> giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
> some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
> consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.

FYI most GPS units designed for land/sea use don't work very well
if at all at airplane speeds, i.e. not very much faster than a
car can go.


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>
> FYI most GPS units designed for land/sea use don't work very well
>

You bring up one of my pet peeves with the Lowrance unit I am now using.

It defaults to including all the nautical stuff in the data base. Each time
I switch between land and aviation use I have to remove the undersea
obstructions, buoy, etc.

Even with my limited ceiling I don't often have to dodge marker buoys at
altitude.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KSDM

On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 10:50:41 -0800 (PST), Mark >
wrote:

>On Jan 9, 7:05*am, Stealth Pilot >
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST), Mark >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
>> >of high quality would be of practical application to
>> >small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>>
>> >Thanks.
>>
>> have you lived in a cave all your life?
>
>No, its simply a matter of:
>
> My limited experience of aviation has been in older planes
> without GPS equipment, and more specifically,..
>
> The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
> familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
> geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
> giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
> some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
> consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.
>
> Thank you all for your feedback. It was perfect and now
> I think I'll get another, better GPS developed specifically
> for aviation.
>
> The only time I spent in a cave was while exploring the
> backwoods of West Virginia. It was a very harrowing
> experience. Your mother wouldn't let go of my leg.

the problem I had was that portable GPS units are in almost universal
use in private aircraft. you would have to have been living in a cave
not to have noticed.

I still use my Garmin GPS2plus which hasnt got a moving map display.
I use it like an ADF.

aviation compatible GPS units commonly track 12 satellites
simultaneously.
have a look at the garmin website and you will see the mainstream
products.

earlier gps units not for aviation couldnt work with speeds over 100
knots. that was their main limitation. this limitation has probably
been removed from most designs now.

my mother has a good sense of humour, she enjoys pulling legs.
Stealth Pilot

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On Jan 9, 7:05 am, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST), Mark >
> wrote:
>
> >Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
> >of high quality would be of practical application to
> >small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>
> >Thanks.
>
> have you lived in a cave all your life?

No, its simply a matter of:

My limited experience of aviation has been in older planes
without GPS equipment, and more specifically,..

The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.

Thank you all for your feedback. It was perfect and now
I think I'll get another, better GPS developed specifically
for aviation.

The only time I spent in a cave was while exploring the
backwoods of West Virginia. It was a very harrowing
experience. Your mother wouldn't let go of my leg.

--
Mark

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Pay him no mind Mark, it was a perfectly fair question.

If Stealth was 10% as smart as he is arrogant, he would be a genius.

On Jan 10, 12:03*pm, Stealth Pilot >
wrote:

> the problem I had was that portable GPS units are in almost universal
> use in private aircraft. you would have to have been living in a cave
> not to have noticed.

Yeah, I know. I have a giant database of most aircraft flying today,
both old, and especially, the new ones that I desire. Although, the
172 trainer I use doesn't have one in it. And I see the typical 2
screen
configuration that comes with all the "good makes", especially the
nice composite planes.

Really what I might have asked (which is now answered) is what might
the drawbacks be of using a new handheld gps system which is not
aviation specific.

> I still use my Garmin GPS2plus which hasnt got a moving map display.
> I use it like an ADF.

hmm. This unit I got is a Lowrance. It seems fairly sophisticated,
and with the ability to add specific "cards", it can be software
modified to fit specific needs. But as was already pointed out,
it might just turn into a useless piece of plastic at 120kts.

> aviation compatible GPS units commonly track 12 satellites
> simultaneously.

mine tracks 10

> have a look at the garmin website and you will see the mainstream
> products.

Right. Hopefully the next GPS I get will not only be top of the
line aviation specific, but will come wrapped in an airplane.

> earlier gps units not for aviation couldnt work with speeds over 100
> knots. that was their main limitation. this limitation has probably
> been removed from most designs now.

Actually that was one of my main concerns. The improvements
would need to be with reception and calculating speed to track
vectors. I figured no salesperson would know or admit that the
unit wouldn't work over 100 kts.

> my mother has a good sense of humour, she enjoys pulling legs.

She was very nice. I was especially impressed with the stalactitic
decorum of your old room.

> Stealth Pilot-

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Mark

On Jan 10, 1:58*pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote:
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Pay him no mind Mark, it was a perfectly fair question.
>
> If Stealth was 10% as smart as he is arrogant, he would be a genius.

LOL! Not a problem. I can't resist a good fight anyways. Plus,
I figure he's only the stealth pilot of some ol' dirty minivan. LOL!


--
Mark

On Jan 10, 3:20*pm, Mark > wrote:

> LOL! *Not a problem. I can't resist a good fight anyways. Plus,
> I figure he's only the stealth pilot of some ol' dirty minivan. LOL!

Sorry Stealth, that was uncalled for. And yes, I know where you
were coming from. Its kinda like asking aviators if oil would be
helpful for engines. LOL!

Later man,
Mark

Hm....my 1998-era Garmin 12 (one of the original units for hiking) works
just as well in the aircraft at speeds over 140 kts as my Garmin Pilot III
which was designed for aviation. In fact, on a 747 flight to Oz, the
G12 worked just dandy (this was before 911 when no one objected)

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> On Jan 9, 7:05 am, Stealth Pilot >
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:21:08 -0800 (PST), Mark <blueriver...
@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Could anyone here tell me if a portable GPS system
>> >of high quality would be of practical application to
>> >small aircraft? It can be mounted.
>>
>> >Thanks.
>>
>> have you lived in a cave all your life?
>
> No, its simply a matter of:
>
> My limited experience of aviation has been in older planes
> without GPS equipment, and more specifically,..
>
> The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
> familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
> geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
> giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
> some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
> consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.
>
> Thank you all for your feedback. It was perfect and now
> I think I'll get another, better GPS developed specifically
> for aviation.
>
> The only time I spent in a cave was while exploring the
> backwoods of West Virginia. It was a very harrowing
> experience. Your mother wouldn't let go of my leg.
>
> --
> Mark
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Pay him no mind Mark, it was a perfectly fair question.
>
> If Stealth was 10% as smart as he is arrogant, he would be a genius.
>


Snort!
PKB Maxine



Bertie Mwawh!

On Jan 9, 12:45*pm, wrote:
> Mark > wrote:
> > The GPS unit I have recently received was a gift, and I hadn't
> > familiarized my self with it as such, but did notice it seemed
> > geared more toward nautical data. Makes sense cause the
> > giver knows I also spend time on the water. I simply wanted
> > some intelligent feedback as to the parameters for
> > consideration for multiple applications of -any- GPS.
>
> FYI most GPS units designed for land/sea use don't work very well
> if at all at airplane speeds, i.e. not very much faster than a
> car can go.

That was true for some Garmin models in the mid-90's that had an
artificial speed restriction (100 knots AIRC). But it hasn't been the
case with any of my hiking/automotive/boating GPS units since then.
They work fine at airliner speeds at giving accurate position and
altitude (although the latter is not to be used for maintaining flight
levels). Aviation-specific models clearly have advantages, but the
models designed for land/water use can also be quite useful.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:03:25 GMT, Stealth Pilot wrote:

> my mother has a good sense of humour, she enjoys pulling legs.
> Stealth Pilot

If she had only left your middle one alone, think of how different you
might have become.

On Jan 9, 3:27*pm, "Tri-Pacer" <no > wrote:
> > FYI most GPS units designed for land/sea use don't work very well
>
> You bring up one of my pet peeves with the Lowrance unit I am now using.
>
> It defaults to including all the nautical stuff in the data base. Each time
> I switch between land and aviation use I have to remove the undersea
> obstructions, buoy, etc.
>
> Even with my limited ceiling I don't often have to dodge marker buoys at
> altitude.
>
> Cheers:
>
> Paul
> N1431A
> KSDM

Paul,

All you have to do is go into the map catagories drawn menu and turn
off avaition. Everything else stays as you have programed it. I use
mine in my car and after the first time I told it to turn off Airmap
and go to land mode I too had to reset every thing.

I've got the AirMap 2000c and am just totally in love with it. Esp the
abillity to select the information you want displayed on a given page.


Frank "WOOF" Beagle
Challenger Dealer CHII N797FB
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http://frankbeagle.blogspot.com
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